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Sabriz Adoudel
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:54:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Jill Chastot wrote:This seems to come down to the fact that people are thinking Ero is doing this with malice. that observation is for everyone to make. At the point the recording begins, Erotica1 already has the entirety of the victims assets. The sole and only purpose of the subsequent entire 2hrs torment, is to humiliate and grief the victim. That is malice.
You do not understand Ero's business model, which is to NEVER be caught in a provable lie. EVER.
Had Ero left at 2 minutes in, he'd have been caught in a provable lie. Yes he'd have had the assets from this bonus room, but his credibility would take a big hit.
Seriously though, I have seen a fair amount of conduct I'd call cyberbullying or outright threats of violence on threads like this. None of them carried out by Ero, or anyone that supports Ero. I've reported two threats of RL violence (one veiled and borderline, one worse) on another thread to the ISDs already and I do not report posts lightly. I've also suggested to Ero to withdraw his CSM nomination for his own safety and that of any family he may have. That I have to give that advice is a disgrace.
I'm not going to go into the conduct of the person who lost the bonus room, because that's not an issue unless Ero chooses to complain about it, and as far as I can tell he has not done so. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=326497 --áPsychotic Monk for CSM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com. |

Sabriz Adoudel
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Posted - 2014.03.25 22:57:00 -
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And that's the THIRD real life threat of violence I've reported today, all from the people accusing Ero of cyberbullying. This one at the milder end but still far more out of line than anything Ero did.
If I wasn't busy at work today I'd probably find a dozen more. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=326497 --áPsychotic Monk for CSM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com. |

Sabriz Adoudel
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Posted - 2014.03.25 23:19:00 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:Kadl wrote:If this or any similar acts becomes a major news story CCP is going to have problems. The headline "Cyberbullying in EVE" will create unwanted attention. As a business, CCP should consider the situation and act so as to protect their profits and the game.
Personally I would like to see more sportsmanship in EVE. I think that would be a good use of CCP's efforts. Already sent the tip to CNN, BBC, Guardian, and couple of other news sites I read. Someone is bound to pick this up. Spread the word! Force CCP to act!
Coming from a person that has made two threats of RL violence against Ero?
You are aware that in the UK (where you seem to be) making threats of physical violence against someone is a criminal offense, right?
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Sabriz Adoudel
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Posted - 2014.03.25 23:41:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
If people want to get all Legal Eagle on this, if the victim of the bonus room was recorded without his consent and is living in a state that forbids it, then there could be grounds for legal action there. Recording a conversation secretly can land you in trouble in some states. Using the recording in such manner as it was used would certainly not help.
I know people will say "but it's only a game!". Sure - but will they be the same people saying that this is outside of the realm of Eve since it was not on Eve Voice?
Having been in three of four bonus rooms before (although I only stuck around to the end of one), Ero asks for permission to record as the first thing.
As for the people that aren't the contestant but that join later, they are told in the same text chat as the TS details are given to them in.
Where I am this isn't an issue (you only need one party's consent to record electronic conversations here) but in other places it is and Ero is aware of that.
There is the potential for RL legal sanctions against the contestant if their threats broke local laws where they are, but that would only happen if Ero lodged a legal complaint about it, which I doubt he will. Given that Ero's RL identity is likely unknown to the contestant, the threats aren't credible (and they were clearly made in anger, not with preplanned malice). Likewise for the racial slurs (which are probably not illegal but might be in some places). https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=326497 --áPsychotic Monk for CSM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com. |

Sabriz Adoudel
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Posted - 2014.03.25 23:58:00 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
If I was CCP, I would boot E1 & Co. and pass therir IPs to law enforcement.
You would prosecute someone for being the target of RL death threats? (Someone that you personally have, in this thread, made TWO only slightly veiled threats of physical violence against)?
Talk about victim blaming.
Ero's behaviour was within the rules as presently written by CCP, and was similar to garden-variety schoolyard bullying at worst. The contestant's behaviour included RL death threats (against the EULA and the law of pretty much every country), and racist slurs.
I have no problem with CCP taking no explicit disciplinary action over those threats as they took place out-of-game, were not credible, and were said in rage. But they need to state unequivocally that that behaviour was unacceptable. THEN they can have credibility if they want to change the rules to make Ero's antics fall outside of them in future. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=326497 --áPsychotic Monk for CSM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com. |

Sabriz Adoudel
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Posted - 2014.03.26 00:06:00 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:Greetings, Thank you for taking the time to submit your news tip to CNN. This message is your confirmation that we have successfully received it. A CNN representative will be in touch with you if we are interested in exploring your tip and require additional information. If this is a breaking news event and requires immediate attention, please call 404.827.1500 and select option 1.
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For the contestant's sake I hope this doesn't make the news.
It might draw the attention of the law onto them for the RL threats made. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=326497 --áPsychotic Monk for CSM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com. |

Sabriz Adoudel
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Posted - 2014.03.26 00:34:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote: Bad press for CCP when knowledge of this and the recording proliferates.
Good press for CCP when they take action on it.
Both press, net profit.
Throwing Erotica1 out on his ass is a paltry price to pay for that. Nobody will question that CCP is utterly within its rights, and sufficiently justified, to do so. And nobody will miss him anyways.
As is demonstrated in this thread, and in which I have been keeping count of individual posters and their expressed views, the community is overwhelmingly against what he has done as evidenced in the recording.
Any ban for Ero that isn't met with bans for the people who threatened to kill him or otherwise threatened violence will definitely NOT be good press for CCP at all. Ero would be within his rights to compile a list of them and subpoena CCP to get their RL names to press charges against some of them, and the damage that would do to CCP would be significant. Especially if CCP have not taken action over those threats.
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Sabriz Adoudel
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Posted - 2014.03.26 00:43:00 -
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Finally, some moderation seems to have started.
I sincerely hope the threats of violence are removed from this thread now.
Criticizing Ero is fair game, he can give as good as he takes. Saying rules should be changed so that the 'bonus rooms' are no longer OK is fair game too (even though I do not agree). Saying Ero should be bashed IRL, or that "we should shut up until the CSM election so we can find out who he is IRL" is totally unacceptable and should have no place on these forums at all. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=326497 --áPsychotic Monk for CSM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com. |

Sabriz Adoudel
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Posted - 2014.03.26 00:55:00 -
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Feyth Yinleq wrote:Says the guy who laughed, had his wife and children laugh at a poor guy being humiliated by a sociopath. Not brilliant yourself, are you ?
If it is true that he got his kids to laugh at this, that's unpleasant.
It's not close to on par with making repeated threats of real-life violence like people are in this thread.
Or the vomiting out of racist slurs and threats to kill by the contestant. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=326497 --áPsychotic Monk for CSM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com. |

Sabriz Adoudel
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Posted - 2014.03.26 01:14:00 -
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Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:The 'victim' CHOOSE to spew threats and racial hatred over the internet rather than click on an X and end his involvement/"torture" in the bonus room. That choice right there is many times more reprehensible than anything Erotica1 has done in the entire time he/she has played EVE, period. Decision quality is low when emotions are running high. His decision clearly wasn't premeditated. And it was more certainly solicited. We all know how this works. Erotica1 was out for tears, and got them. So happy to receive them, he released the audio.
This is why I do not think the contestant should be held to the letter of the EULA over these actions but should be given another chance alongside a firm warning.
He was clearly irate at the time due to his misplaced trust and the in-game losses that it had caused him. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=326497 --áPsychotic Monk for CSM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com. |
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Sabriz Adoudel
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Posted - 2014.03.26 01:57:00 -
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PinkPanter wrote: How about stop being stupid for once. Goon tag does carry a reputation but this ain't funny anymore. Justifications of any kind prove you have serious issues. You all defended fucktani after his fanfest shitfall and now you're here again. Just stop if there's nothing of value that you can add to this basket.
Mittens was out of line. This is coming from someone that cheered on when the person Mittens verbally abused had their mining op smartbombed for 10b+ ISK in losses. He was a drunken idiot at the time.
The contestant here was comparably out of line, perhaps a little worse, with the threats made.
Ero was (IMO) slightly over the line here, but not on par with what Mittens did, much less what the contestant here did. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=326497 --áPsychotic Monk for CSM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com. |

Sabriz Adoudel
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Posted - 2014.03.26 02:01:00 -
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Wesley Otsdarva wrote: In the same effect, E1 could of just said "HA, we have your isk. Have a nice night." And it all would of been avoided.
Wouldn't work.
E1 *never* provably lies. His entire business is based around 100% honesty (to the letter of promises made, not to the spirit of them). https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=326497 --áPsychotic Monk for CSM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com. |

Sabriz Adoudel
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Posted - 2014.03.26 02:52:00 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:Looks like E1 and Co. are trying to do damage control and shift blame anywhere they can.
First they tried shifting to the victim. Community didint buy that BS.
Now E1 is trying to shift blame on Ripard.
Frankly, it smacks of desperation.
Permabans for E1 and Co.
Say NO to cyber-bullying and emotional **** of vulnerable people.
The fact that you have not been forum banned yet for your threats of physical violence (in previous posts) is a disgrace.
Much worse than anything Ero did, and for that matter even worse than things the contestant did as they were clearly said in the heat of the moment. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=326497 --áPsychotic Monk for CSM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com. |

Sabriz Adoudel
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Posted - 2014.03.26 03:54:00 -
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baltec1 wrote: Having listened to the whole recording I can not find at any point where Erotica1 continually and maliciously humiliated the contestant. What I heard was the script used for all bonus rooms and the contestant throwing abuse left and right. Long story short he willing gave his stuff over to gamble on quadrupling it and lost. He got angry and for 30 min there was nothing but him tossing insults about, he could have backed out at any time but he didn't.
Erotica1 has done nothing against the EULA. You might not agree with what he does but that is no excuse for this witch hunt you people have embarked upon. You are literally doing the very thing you are accusing Erotica1 of doing, deliberately targeting a player.
Exactly right.
Note also that this comes from a Goon - a group that generally have little time for Ero nowadays. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=326497 --áPsychotic Monk for CSM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com. |

Sabriz Adoudel
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Posted - 2014.03.26 03:56:00 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:And Teamspeak is now aware of this issue as well.
Did you make threats of violence against them too, or do you only do that to EVE players? https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=326497 --áPsychotic Monk for CSM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com. |

Sabriz Adoudel
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Posted - 2014.03.26 04:00:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Considering TS3's user agreement basically ends at "don't reverse engineer this product", it ought to be funny.
We will see. I am betting teamspeak wont like to be in any way associated with words like, oh i dont know, 1) cyber-bullying 2) online predators 3) vulnerable victim 4) abuse Well, if you used those words, you lied your ass off. There is no such thing as cyber bullying, and the "victim" participated of his own free will.
Cyber bullying is real. Examples include people making fake Facebook accounts claiming to be the bullying target, then using the fake profile to mess up the target's life (by sending abuse to their RL boss, asking their friends for nude pictures, etc). It's commonly done by controlling ex-lovers and sadistic teenagers.
The people calling Ero's games 'cyber bullying' belittles all the people that actually experience that sort of abuse, just like calling this '****' or 'torture' belittles people that have survived one or both of those. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=326497 --áPsychotic Monk for CSM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com. |

Sabriz Adoudel
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Posted - 2014.03.26 05:05:00 -
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Folks, signing out of this whole discussion with a simple summary. Nothing constructive will come out of it and I need to stop replying to the thugs that imply RL violence repeatedly.
1. Ero was 'nasty' but within the bounds of the permissable according to current game rules and the law. 2. Sokhar's conduct was outside the bounds of the permissable, but I'm willing to forgive that as he'd just been handed a pretty serious in-game defeat and was angry. I do not feel that someone with his anger issues should be playing viciously competitive games like EVE (or poker for that matter), but that is his call and his alone to make. His conduct was, in any case, at worst on-par with Mitten's idiotic drunken outburst at Fanfest. 3. Ripard's a smart man, and no doubt this was an intervention into the CSM election. GF Ripard - you've played that well and it will probably work for you. Hats off to you for being ruthless, competitive and unsportsmanlike here to get your way. 4. The RL threats Ero has received after this incident are, in some cases, totally beyond the pale.
Ero's game, if you haven't noticed, is to set up rules that are codified and clear that he obeys 100% of the time, and then manipulate people into breaking them while remaining 100% honest. Sometimes he's done that via other means (collusion with one participant in group bonus rounds; which was never prohibited in Ero's stated rules), other times it's by tricking people into agreeing to a game with ill-defined rules ("you must show faith") and simply waiting until they fail at it, getting them to do more and more ridiculous things like pod themselves over and over to lose SP. Eventually, a large enough percentage of them 'lose faith' that Ero can claim victory, give a few of the goods wagered to his accomplices, and keep most for himself. Sometimes, those reserves are needed because someone doesn't waver and wins the game, but that is very rare.
He then releases the audio to build notoriety (after having got permission to do so as a first step).
If I were Ero, I'd have shut this round down earlier, as soon as Sohkar unambiguously broke the rules Ero had set for the game, so that I could keep the 100% honesty reputation intact. But that's me. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=326497 --áPsychotic Monk for CSM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com. |
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